Date: 2006-09-01 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
Here's another fun language question: If you're wating to, say, buy a movie ticket out in front of a theater, and there are many, many people in front of you, are you waiting

in line
-or-
on line?

I'm not spiffy enough to make polls, but maybe you can help me out with this one?

Date: 2006-09-01 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com
I say "in queue," but that's because I grew up saying "in line," [personal profile] mabfan says "on line," and we used to snarl about the other's usage. So I started using "get in queue" or "queue up."

If you want me to make a poll out of this, I can do so. :-) I enjoy making language polls.

Date: 2006-09-01 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
There's a line. You wait on it. What more do you need to know?

Date: 2006-09-01 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
Nope. You stand in a line. You do not stand upon people's heads (unless this is a super-cool acrobatic thing you do, and then I'd feel quite left-out about not being told about this!)

Anything on-line involves computers, modems, and telephone connections.

:)

As an addendum--where, regionally, did you learn most of the English that you use today? I grew up in places (namely, Texas, and some of the deep South) where we say in line--but, we also tend to add the letter R to words that absolutely don't need it (oh, like, say, warsh). Genuinely curious.

Date: 2006-09-01 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
No, you see, the people who are standing are all standing on an imaginary line drawn on the ground. When I get on line, I am standing on top of that same imaginary line. That's why there's a line, and I get on it.

At least, that's how I've always envisioned it.

I grew up in Forest Hills, Queens (just like Spider-Man!) and attended a school in Manhattan from the ages of 11-17. So I picked up all my English in NYC. Which is probably why I spend most of my time in line on line. :-)

Date: 2006-09-01 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
I think michelel72 has it right--the use of on line does seem to be a NY/NJ phenomenon. I'd even say it's greater metropolitan New York/New Jersey, but that might be specifying it too much.

Whoo Spider-Man! :)

Date: 2006-09-01 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michelel72.livejournal.com
I later did a bit of web searching, and I found this map for the in/on line split. Nifty!

Meanwhile, the Columbia Guide to Standard American English labels it as a New York-originated quirk. I love finding confirmation of my tenuously supported assumptions!

Must stop websearching language questions now ....

Date: 2006-09-01 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kuroshii.livejournal.com
ahem. you're not standing on other people's heads! the line is comprised of people, and you're one of those people. so you're part of it. so you're in it. heh.

and we can't even say it's a regional thing because we grew up with only about ten miles between us!

Date: 2006-09-01 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
See my reply above...

Date: 2006-09-01 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
Was it really only ten miles? Wow. I regret not spending more time actually seeing you in person...

Date: 2006-09-01 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kuroshii.livejournal.com
port washington vs. forest hills? OK maybe twenty miles. but yeah.

Date: 2006-09-03 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinnean.livejournal.com
I have to agree with [livejournal.com profile] mabfan on this. I grew up in NY, and to me it's always been 'on line.' I used it in a story back in the day, and the woman who beta'd it (*not* [livejournal.com profile] gem225) told me it was wrong. I'm still traumatized.

But I still say 'on line.' *g*

Date: 2006-09-01 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michelel72.livejournal.com
I've heard that "on line" is a New York/New Jersey usage, but that's a completely unscientifically derived impression ....

Date: 2006-09-01 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tanaise.livejournal.com
Despite the fact that I have always lived in the US, the first couple of times I read "Bears Discover Fire" i managed to read 'flashlight' when they talk about the bears holding torches when he's changing his tire. (It's probably due to too much Herriott as a child) So I just really didn't understand why the *fire* was the cool thing in the story, when clearly they'd already mastered using electricity as well.

Date: 2006-09-01 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com
Heee! Bears with flashlights! I love it.

Date: 2006-09-01 04:51 pm (UTC)
madfilkentist: Photo of Carl (Carl)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
You can't illuminate darkness. If you illuminate it, it isn't darkness any more.

Narf.

Date: 2006-09-01 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] csbermack.livejournal.com
But can you still cast magic missile at it?

Date: 2006-09-01 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
Or a sleep spell? Narf!

Date: 2006-09-01 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
Too many hit dice for a low level character.

only tangentially related

Date: 2006-09-01 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
This book made me think of you.

Re: only tangentially related

Date: 2006-09-01 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com
It's a fun book. I've got a copy; the author is a Brookline resident, and she did a reading/signing at Booksmith a while back.

Date: 2006-09-01 05:47 pm (UTC)
ext_87516: (Default)
From: [identity profile] 530nm330hz.livejournal.com
Here's my poll question: Does it bother you that LJ poll bar graphs display 0 as half the length of 1?

Date: 2006-09-01 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caryabend.livejournal.com
But that's correct for certain values of Aleph Null.

Date: 2006-09-01 08:51 pm (UTC)
ext_87516: (Default)
From: [identity profile] 530nm330hz.livejournal.com
And when Nomi takes a language poll about whether one pronounces א differently than ע (and whether one learned Hebrew in the U.S., Britain, or Yemen) that will make sense.

Date: 2006-09-01 10:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2006-09-01 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eal.livejournal.com
Sloppy research in general is annoying.

But you knew I was going to say that.

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