YALP

[gnomi]

[Poll #830673]

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[530nm330hz.livejournal.com]

I shined my shoes. The moon shone.

[xochitl42.livejournal.com]

Oooh, good point...so maybe shine/polish = shined, and shine/glow = shone?

[saxikath]

Ditto. If I'm polishing shoes, it's shined. If I'm glowing, it's shone.

"I've got to go do that!" but "I've gotten better at doing that since then" and "I've gotten three new e-mails in the past half-hour."

[michelel72.livejournal.com]

I'll second this as well ... except that shone looks archaic enough (and is so subject to aural confusion**) that I generally rephrase to something like was shining when I can. Or I choose a different word entirely: glistened, glimmered, beamed, radiated, glowed ....

** Depending on pronunciation either with shown or with Shawn/Sean/Chone. ("Chone Figgins" is a baseball player.)

[jesshartley.livejournal.com]

He shined the car until it shone in the moonlight.

But the sun shined brightly. I'm not sure it's so much "person/item" as "active/passive".

I have got to (ie: must) tell them that they have gotten (ie: received) that package.

As a past participle of "get", I use "I got a lot of presents" to mean "on that occasion" and "I have gotten a lot of mail" to mean in general.

[michelel72.livejournal.com]

I confess with some embarrassment that I had to go look up "past participle". Once I did, though: I say gotten. Garner notes, and I've noticed, that had gotten is typical of American English and had got is typical of British English. So if I'm trying to emulate a British text, I would switch (while missing dozens of unrelated AmEnglish markers, I'm sure). Although ... do the British speak of ill-got gains?

[janedavitt.livejournal.com]

No, it's ill-gotten gains just to be awkward :-) We don't say 'gotten' as in 'I'd gotten sick of his complaining' but I'd never correct it if it was a US speaker saying it.

[seborn.livejournal.com]

Ditto. It's shined (transitive) shone (intransitive) for me, not a person-thing distinction. The other way doesn't sound wrong to me, just less right.

[kuroshii.livejournal.com]

agreed on both points!

[csbermack.livejournal.com]

I think I would say, here, "Obviously, it's shone and gotten". However, I suspect that when I write I might say shined and got. So it's probably context-dependant, and I can't characterize why I do what I do.

Good job getting two funky ones in the same poll. :)

[vettecat.livejournal.com]

That's exactly what I was going to say.

[arfur]

yeah. that.