An Odd Jewish Ritual Question...
Oct. 20th, 2009 02:50 pm...that occurred to me over Shabbat:
If one is eating in the home of a couple whose children are all adopted, does one say v'et zar'am* in the Choose Your Own Adventure harachaman** in bentching***?
*"and their offspring," literally "and their seed"
** "the compassionate one," the first word of a series of blessings
*** the blessings after meals ("bentching" is Yiddish; in Hebrew, it is called "Birkat HaMazon," the blessing of the sustenance)
If one is eating in the home of a couple whose children are all adopted, does one say v'et zar'am* in the Choose Your Own Adventure harachaman** in bentching***?
*"and their offspring," literally "and their seed"
** "the compassionate one," the first word of a series of blessings
*** the blessings after meals ("bentching" is Yiddish; in Hebrew, it is called "Birkat HaMazon," the blessing of the sustenance)
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Date: 2009-10-20 07:02 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-10-20 07:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-20 11:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-20 07:20 pm (UTC)"of course they are! i figure i've either got follicles or receipts."
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Date: 2009-10-20 07:26 pm (UTC)As a side question, do you say covenant inscribed on our flesh, since you're female?
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Date: 2009-10-20 07:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-20 09:43 pm (UTC)Except that in pretty much every place where I've ever benched, even when most of the text is said aloud, this part is said silently (because of the variances in the text depending on one's point of view).
As a side question, do you say covenant inscribed on our flesh, since you're female?
Actually, that line strikes me as being more applicable to women than to men. The line is "... Your covenant which You [emphasis added] sealed in our flesh...". Females are said to have been created by God as already effectively circumcised, so it was God who did the sealing. Males have to be circumcised by a human being, so I'm not sure how we say "...which You sealed..."
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Date: 2009-10-20 07:42 pm (UTC)Also, I now have the appallingly cheerful NCSY harachaman niggun stuck in my head.
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Date: 2009-10-21 04:15 pm (UTC)This would be the summer-camp Birkat tune, right?
I didn't go to one of the Jewish overnight camps, but my brother and all my cousins did, and my brother even went to the same one that my DAD had gone to in his youth, so when extended family sang the Birkat, it was ALWAYS that tune.
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Date: 2009-10-21 06:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-20 08:38 pm (UTC)[Although I did put "v'et zar'[o/ah/am/an]" in parentheses]
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Date: 2009-10-20 10:21 pm (UTC)I think it's rather sad, actually, that we have a comparatively weakened concept of a child by adoption. Adopted parents are, in so many ways, made to feel lesser, unworthy, even as if they are doing harm to the child by taking him/her into the family. I even encountered a person on LJ who seems to consider herself as adoptive mother as something of a babysitter for the child's real parents, and has deferred to the "real parents" much more than I thought anyone ever would. In our secular, scientific society, there is no room for a ritual that changes the whole being of a person--to change, for example, their parents.
Does the Hebrew language distinguish adopted child from birth child?
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Date: 2009-10-20 10:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-21 12:55 am (UTC)Converts get Avraham and Sarah as parents even though there's no biological relationship. Is a term like "av" or "zera" always meant literally? (Now I'm curious -- but no, not curious enough to pull out a concordance right now, about uses of zera in text...)
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Date: 2009-10-21 01:13 am (UTC)I love it! Hee!
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Date: 2009-10-21 06:41 pm (UTC)The whole 'born of a Jewish mother' things actually was one wedge that came between my parents and the conservative synagogue. My birth mother was Catholic (GASPOFHORROROMG) but my parents to this day assert that it doesn't matter since she is not really my mother.
We are now Reconstructionists (chuckle)