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Can soy milk be soured the way cow-milk can? For recipe-related purposes. Specifically, for this recipe-related purposes.

Thanks in advance!

Date: 2006-07-06 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucretia-borgia.livejournal.com
I've never done it on purpose, but it does get rank in a way that cow's milk doesn't, and curdles. But it's not even a little ok at that point.

Date: 2006-07-06 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com
Interesting. So do you think it would be usable in a recipe in that state?

Date: 2006-07-07 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucretia-borgia.livejournal.com
No. It would be really, really gross, and the texture would be terrible. Kind of like what happens when you put really sour milk in your first-of-the-morning coffee. Just go vomit. Yuck.

(I was pretty impressed by what happens if you leave soy milk out in the heat. Bad scene. Very bad scene. Try it in someone else's home.)

Date: 2006-07-06 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucretia-borgia.livejournal.com
Oh, hey, you'd know -- there's a monster slide (I think its name translates to "The Monster") in Israel and I'm looking for pictures of it. I seem to remember its being between Ben Gurion and Jerusalem. Gideon's all interested since he found out that Annie was in Israel, but Andrea didn't try it with the kids (it's a teenager sort of thing, she said). Monster-slide-israel @ google didn't get me anything useful. Do you know its Hebrew name, and maybe a location or anything else that can help me find it?

Date: 2006-07-06 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com
Mifletzet.

I have photos at my parents' house.

Date: 2006-07-06 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com
And it's in J'lem, in the neighborhood that friends of my parents used to live in. The name of the neighborhood is...uh...I'll ask Ima and get back to you on that.

Date: 2006-07-06 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com
Kiryat HaYovel. It's down a bit on the page here (http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Middle_East/Israel/Jerusalem_District/Jerusalem-1708549/Off_the_Beaten_Path-Jerusalem-MISC-BR-1.html).

Date: 2006-07-07 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucretia-borgia.livejournal.com
Thanks -- G was impressed.

Date: 2006-07-06 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
Short answer: No. It's all the animal-based things, like lactose and milkfat, that are still edible when soured, that soy milk doesn't have.

There's a Japanese "delicacy" called natto. Fermented soybeans. You DO NOT WANT your baked goods tasting or smellning anything like natto. Trust me.

If dairy is the problem (I'm guessing it is), take a look at a non-dairy creamer and see what can be done with that. I think non-dairy creamers use vegetable components, but I'm not certain.

If you're looking for a sour taste, lemon or lime juice will work (in conjunction with a non-dairy creamer). Cut it with a bit of extra baking soda (for that soured milk zing) and a pinch or so of salt (to kill some of the citrus-ness), and you may have something going there.

Soy milk isn't rich enough to do what you need it to do in this recipe, as far as I know. BUT--this might be a cool experiment, just to see what comes up...

Date: 2006-07-06 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
Or a moderate dash of vinegar with that baking soda...there's some zing...

Date: 2006-07-06 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tanaise.livejournal.com
There's also miso as a good example of something that a desert should not taste like.

Working with dairy, I've aproximated buttermilk with 50/50 yogurt and milk, so perhaps a blend of soymilk and (silken?) tofu would do the trick? There's a local organic brand from JP that's even slightly sour (lemon juice coagulant) in the best possible way, though we always got it in extra firm, so I don't now if it's available in other forms.

Date: 2006-07-06 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xochitl42.livejournal.com
Well, churn it up smoothly enough and it should be fine, even if it's extra firm...

Date: 2006-07-06 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kradical.livejournal.com
It's not soy milk. There's no such thing as soy milk because soy doesn't have teats. It's soy juice. They only call it soy milk because, as Lewis Black said, if they called it soy juice, nobody would drink it.....

Date: 2006-07-07 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tapuz.livejournal.com
I think that the sour milk in this specific recipe is intended to react with the baking soda and act as a leavening.

The optionally pareve Black Magic Cake that I make is -- 2 t bsoda, 1 t bpowder, 1 t salt, 1c coffee, 1c buttermilk/coffee rich. I wonder, then if the coffee rich is acidic in some way? Personally, I would try the soy milk. Maybe with the lemon juice, but I would end up accidentally adding too much vinegar, so make sure to use less than I would! :-)

Date: 2006-07-07 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estherchaya.livejournal.com
add a splash of vinegar. What that will allow it to do is react with the baking soda. It'll work just fine. A splash of lemon juice would also work.

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